Michial Farmer moderates a conversation with David Grubbs and Nathan Gilmour about some of the Federalist Papers dealing with the House of Representatives and the Senate. After a discussion of relationships between constitutional and casuistic law, the Humanists delve into the particularly Madisonian character of the bicameral legislature, making sure to praise the Enlightenment and take swipes at current Congressmen along the way. Among the texts and other realities discussed are the Constitution, K Street, the First Amendment, the House, and the Senate.