Michial Farmer moderates a discussion with David Grubbs and Nathan Gilmour about realism, a term so nebulous that even literary reference books don't like it. In the course of things we talk about medieval and modern connotations of the word as well as how modern realism spans architecture, painting, sculpture, music, fiction, and all sorts of interesting media. Among the texts, artists, and other realities we discuss are Stephen Crane, Manet, Debussy, Ranke, Henry James, and Dreiser.