Michial Farmer moderates a lively discussion with David Grubbs and Nathan Gilmour about the history of national identity, beginning with the Greeks and Romans and finishing up with a discussion of post-9/11 American nationalism. Along the way we talk about the Old Testament's and the New Testament's treatments of nation, some legends and propaganda techniques that grow up around the middle ages and Renaissance, and even a bit about Egypt. Among the authors, texts, and historical moments we discuss are William T. Cavanaugh, C.S. Lewis, Philippians, Geoffrey of Monmouth, the Persian Empire, the Tea Party, and the U.S. Constitution (the document, not the sailing vessel).